Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T16:24:48.522Z#
it’s also a shame in that I can truly see the value of teaching a workshop to men on “what do you do if you’ve been called a creep,” except that I somehow don’t think these are the right *people* to teach such a workshop in the slightest
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T16:28:27.574Z#
Let’s also remember that this is the same group of organizers in the Silicon Valley AI scene who are also involved with throwing “consensual non-consent” events - IE, simulated rape.
Which whistleblowers like Sonia Joseph have cited as creating a “coercive climate” for female AI researchers.
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T16:32:40.614Z#
taco belle here is doing a good job of laying out the pretty obvious problems with weaving group sex parties, sometimes involving consensual non-consent, into AI industry culture:
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T16:38:38.145Z#
Aimee Pepper is also making some great points on how “the culture of Al safety/Lighthaven is detrimentally linked to the culture of CNC (consensual non-consent) orgies.”
Again: if you are a woman who wants to work on making AI safer, this is apparently the social world you must navigate.
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T16:42:06.546Z#
This is *gross*.
bsky.app/profile/leah...
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T17:25:09.550Z#
So many autistic/neurodivergent women (which I bet describes a LOT of women in the Silicon Valley AI scene) report being *specifically* targeted by sexual predators who take advantage of their issues with reading social situations.
Which is why I loathe the “oh, those poor autistic men” excuse.
Pennybags@nouveaubougee.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:45:05.930Z#
I used to think that I was relatively freaky but they’re coming up with kinks that I can barely even comprehend
Piper@the-pied-piper.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:06:55.759Z#
This akin to what I meant in my comment about it being impossible for the CNC scenes they host to not violate the first C.
You cannot “demo” or engage in a gaslighting kink without intensive, individualized preparation, discussion, and boundary setting.
To do it without those isn’t kink, it’s SA.
rahaeli@rahaeli.bsky.social·2026-09-27T22:28:17.834Z#
Whaaaaaaaaat
His Bark Materials🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🌌@oneiriccanid.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:59:52.461Z#
It strikes me that Aella is an incredibly damaged person who is organising events to spread that damage to as many people as possible.
Yanlee@ahegu.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:01:03.642Z#
Oh huh.
It's like a slight break off from ntr.
Amyville Hoyrror@amyhoy.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:14:30.992Z#
…gaslighting kink??
CaffeineIsLife@caffeineislife.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:17:22.443Z#
🤢 That's nasty.
the relentless onward march of time 💀🎃@incoherent.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:33:10.884Z#
what if we made the Monty Python Argument Clinic but creepy
Carl Marxman, buff Ogryn@carlmarxman.northsky.social·2026-09-27T17:13:47.339Z#
Jesus christ. I don't even know how to respond to this.
A. Cosmographer@acosmographer.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:10:35.996Z#
This is pickup culture and sexual harassment disguised "kink"
folk tune stan account 🎻@folktunes.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:22:50.163Z#
...jesusfuckign... HAVE NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HEARD OF FUCKING NEGOTIATIONS AAAAAARGHHHHH
Tom Wambsgans’ Second Wife, PhD@drwambsgans.bsky.social·2026-09-27T22:29:44.488Z#
I have no scheme in which to put this information.
MadMatthew56@madmadtthew56.bsky.social·2026-09-28T17:50:50.286Z#
Well no wonder Trump loves the tech bros. They’re sexual predators, just like him.
John@johnlk.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:49:59.850Z#
"Making AI safer"...I don't think that is what they are doing though.
Tim 🌈 ♾️🏳️🌈💛🤍💜🖤@fingertrouble.bsky.social·2026-10-03T16:56:34.785Z#
Reminder: can we not link poly with CNC?
Different things, although I know how poly can bleed into kink and alt sex scenes, it's not automatic.
Ick.
To aqui pra procrastinar@euperdendotempo.bsky.social·2026-09-28T17:35:29.456Z#
Yeah, these events are very transparently being used by rats and SV tech bros to create a permission structure for abuse.
Jerry Sköld@sergeitsardust.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:50:07.401Z#
Jesus fuck, this is so much worse than I thought.
wembley@bananashirt.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:02:36.874Z#
nothing wrong w/ CNC (rape fantasies very common among women) & maybe longtime BDSM eventgoing ppl can speak to if it's possible to host events where it can be done, BUT bc it is so individual & needs so much negotiation idk how you have it at a group event & if yr events are already "dodgy"...
pj-evans.bsky.social@pj-evans.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:56:41.226Z#
It sounds like a world designed by 16-22 year old guys with minimal social skills and no fcking clue about consent or anything else involving women.
James Endicott@o76923.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:33:47.798Z#
It's not CNC if there isn't meaningful consent. This is just rape pretending it's CNC to be more socially acceptable.
Every BDSM community is full of people who instantly recognize it because there are assholes like that in every one of them.
Tina's Driving Lesson@tinavstammy.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:47:57.118Z#
If this had been happening when I was a young professional woman, it would have been more than enough to remove this field from any consideration I might have given it.
I mean I would not even want to work for a company involved in this as a secretary or office gofer. Nothing. No way.
jaytingle@jaytingle.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:52:18.169Z#
The endgame of a civilization in which “AI solves all problems” necessarily means women/sex objects are available on demand to socially dysfunctional men.
Mel Buer@melbuer.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:09:35.525Z#
how are these companies not absolutely *drowning* in sexual harassment lawsuits
Which Witch R U 🏳️🌈@which-witch-ru.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:04:38.055Z#
Because of retaliation. If they come forward, they’ll likely never work in the industry again. They’ll be seen as killjoys and “difficult to work with.” Which sucks because anyone who’s worked in tech knows women objectively perform better despite that CONSTANT harassment.
Melanie@passifloraresearch.com·2026-09-27T19:38:29.909Z#
I have thoughts on that.
@privateideation.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:56:06.828Z#
Because they've created a pass through where the parties are done by people in the same social ecosystem but who are not employees. If you filter at the parties before anyone gets employed you control for harassment lawsuits because the people who would report harassment never get employed.
Madame Hardy@madamehardy.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:38:13.158Z#
Because filing a lawsuit would get you ostracized by the community, which means not just your friends but your potential employers.
Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:56:35.886Z#
NDAs (though the Speak Out Act limits the use of pre-dispute agreements in harassment cases); mandatory arbitration agreements (so the actual claims brought never see the light of day); and punitive confidentiality & nondisparagement clauses in settlement agreements (which bypass the Speak Out Act).
Ethan@strangebirds.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:10:51.022Z#
I wonder how much VC funding is allocated to settlements…
Whip Clyburn Dem - MEDICAID HOVER 👻👻🎃@annaconda1.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:11:11.079Z#
Bc people want to believe
Nur Shahir, PhD (Hire me!)@gigiomics.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:38:41.049Z#
They have too much money because they've never had to pay Actual Taxes
Peter Swimm@peterswimm.com·2026-09-27T17:10:49.953Z#
self selecting for meekness in hiring practices
Gerard Cunningham@faduda.eurosky.social·2026-09-27T17:15:09.141Z#
NDAs mostly, I'd guess.
That and never pick an argument with someone who buys judges by the barrel.
Bi King Gent 👑 💖💜💙@thesnarkygent.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:30:02.203Z#
Others noted both social/career consequences and stuff like NDAs, but as someone who got out of a totalizing cult: many of the victims are true believers in a "millennialist" framework that is effectively a secular religion. It is their whole world. It's so easy to rationalize the abuse you get.
Clay@clayndwoods.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:49:41.296Z#
Is this for real? People actually attend this shit?
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T19:52:05.559Z#
Yes, it’s 100% real and very influential people in tech are involved
@redheadguy84.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:39:17.345Z#
I've posted it before, and I'll post it again. They all just want the Dr. Strangelove mine shafts.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSz...
Kade Peregrine@kadeperegrine.bsky.social·2026-09-28T14:31:20.354Z#
Now I'm wondering what Weaving Group sex parties would be like, remembering what the overlap between kinksters and crafters is like, concluding "pretty much the same as normal sex parties" and retreating back into my gutter.
Gillian (Jill)@youdontknowjill.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:21:44.251Z#
I saw the list of mentions and was like, "Is wfenza Wesley Fenza?" I've had acquaintances in EA circles and that name set off memories of huge red flags.
Loreseed@loreseed.com·2026-09-27T19:25:31.064Z#
Guys who are mad about these criticisms, even purely for optics reasons, are giving away the game. So, you're trying to save all humanity from evil AI, the most important thing you could possibly be doing, but cutting it out with the rape-play parties that freak out the normies is too much to ask?
Claire James@claire-james.bsky.social·2026-09-27T20:09:59.574Z#
Hang on a minute. I stumbled across this thread and seem to have ended up in the last 10 minutes of a horror film having missed all the explanation of how it got there. How anyone, anywhere could think any of this is ok, let alone requiring explanation of why it’s problematic… WTF is this?
Luis@loosf.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:06:01.498Z#
So
Turning CNC and that kind of play into actual fucking coercion
Fucking hell
Melissa DuVant@melissaduvant.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:56:50.141Z#
CNC is a bit of a niche kink, so it's kinda suspicious/creepy that an entire industry in one city seems to have so many people into it. Like you'd probably struggle to find enough, I dunno, electrical engineers in a city to throw a CNC party for just them, but these guys are managing it
Z.V. Anjali@zvanjali.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:52:45.198Z#
Tangential, but lol at "high-decouplers," I love how these clowns have convinced themselves that it's an intellectual virtue to pretend you were born yesterday
Udarnik 🇺🇦@udarnik.bsky.social·2026-09-28T02:09:14.744Z#
Was coming here to say: there is an evolutionary reason why people are not high decouplers. Because overall, humans tend to be consistent in their morality across domains. Bad behavior in one aspect of one's life tends to spill over into other areas. DV is a red flag for mass shootings, for example
@silvergrl.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:17:34.848Z#
WTAF are we even doing?
opus reticulatum@forestoffaun.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:08:07.292Z#
DEI’s entire purpose was to prevent stuff like this from happening in the workplace btw
opus reticulatum@forestoffaun.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:30:22.797Z#
we got rid of Woke and now entire industries are going to be hemmoraged cuz any smart woman worth her salt is not going to risk getting actually assaulted as a means of advancing her career
opus reticulatum@forestoffaun.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:42:00.802Z#
people werent being Woke only for the sake of being annoying, we were being Woke cuz the alternative is literally whats going on in these posts with these AI goons
@milkweed.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:20:21.152Z#
4B took off in Korea for a reason
K-pop Ambassador@goatsgotohell.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:27:17.792Z#
It looks like thinly veiled prostitution. Berkeley PD asleep.
👻 Spooky Cat War 👻@eternalcatwar.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:37:07.553Z#
reification is a really apt way to put it
Snootacamund@snootacamund.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:12:45.869Z#
I do wish they’d stop insisting that it’s “Bay culture” writ large, because that’s a bad conceit to give the rats. You might not get in on the A gold rush, but there’s plenty of ”normal” people not partaking in all this.
Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T19:56:31.346Z#
“Silicon Valley” culture is a pretty common way to describe specifically Bay Area tech culture. Far as I can recall I haven’t been claiming the entire Bay Area is into this stuff (and I mean, I have a Stanford master’s degree and have spent a lot of time in the area, I know)
Ian McLean@mrthewalrus.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:10:55.041Z#
You know, I thought I had a good handle on how weird and awful these people were, but somehow they’re both weirder and worse.
C.A. Petrov@capetrov.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:31:11.982Z#
It's a little surprising that these people can still pull a "What the actual fuck?" from me, but here we are.
KaterTot@kdoemland.bsky.social·2026-09-27T22:04:27.284Z#
I should think not!
Piper@the-pied-piper.bsky.social·2026-09-27T20:47:59.411Z#
the idea of throwing a CNC event to which people who need the concept explained to them are invited tautologically negates the first C in CNC
I’m honestly unconvinced it’s even possible for a CNC scene involving enough people to call it an “event” to still be CNC instead of outright non-consensual
Piper@the-pied-piper.bsky.social·2026-09-27T20:47:59.412Z#
I guess technically some pornography would meet that criteria, but even for all of the endless sins and evils in our porn industry there are some poorly enforced legal safeguards.
These AI space parties lack even the rudimentary regulatory oversight porn is subject to.
Greg Gabrielse @newtons-third.bsky.social·2026-09-27T23:32:31.533Z#
Wonder how those same men would react to a woman taking the position of power and wanting to peg the guy? Does the dynamic of CNC work in that direction as well? Or does it only apply to men in that way?
🔞 Wysty, CEO of vampire yuri | Comms Open@wysticlipse.art·2026-09-27T20:01:21.333Z#
given the entire industry is built on the non-consensual exploitation of people's data, I shouldn't be surprised.
But here I am.
Crystal Fountain 🍉❤️🇵🇸 BLM💖 is Shadow banned by Isntreal@thankgod4ever.bsky.social·2026-09-28T23:58:14.409Z#
It's not so surprising to hear this happened with men working at Open AI, when Sam Altman is a rapist and also is purported to engage in rape parties of his own
Knepherbird@knepherbird.com·2026-09-27T16:47:29.357Z#
Okay, tangential to the sex/consent stuff, but if lots of these folks are "expanding their consciousnesses" I can very much understand the paranoid apocalypticism they are developing about their work.
Knepherbird@knepherbird.com·2026-09-27T16:52:18.119Z#
"I can hear my shell scripts whispering to each other at night when my computer is off."
Mr. Completely@brokensymmetry.art·2026-09-27T16:52:04.315Z#
Yeah one of the many lessons here - which should have been learned long ago - is that no psychedelic has an inherent valence or direction towards good or towards enlightenment. The experiences are powerfully shaped by the social environment and conceptual landscape & can be quite destructive
Knepherbird@knepherbird.com·2026-09-27T16:54:25.640Z#
Yeah, for just about every mind's eye opening story you can easily find a needs help feeding themselves story.
Sarah Tuttle@niais.cryptoanarchy.network·2026-09-27T18:29:04.663Z#
This part, this part that has been the issue for so many minoritized folks for such a long fucking time is what just destroys me constantly:
"I wish that 55% of my brain was not devoted to strategizing about the survival of me and of my friends."
We just want to do our goofy little stuff.
Spooky Kessey, Age of Skeleton@jdkessey.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:33:31.120Z#
Of course these cretins tried to play word games with this...
The Creatively Maladjusted@tyrotcm.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:09:11.657Z#
The Creatively Maladjusted@tyrotcm.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:08:15.357Z#
Deborah@dlowry.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:30:56.613Z#
Someone is going to get hurt
Majestic Twelve (plus one for spooky szn)@majestic12.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:41:05.179Z#
A lot of someones are going to get hurt.
Zach Rabiroff@zachrabiroff.com·2026-09-27T16:25:42.650Z#
Again, I repeat my call for an investigative journalism intervention
Alexander Hamizdat 🇵🇷@alexhammy209.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:30:30.378Z#
call the person who scooped NXIVM
Coureur de FemboOoo[Big Bad Bæddel Borg]🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🐔@droctorock.northsky.social·2026-09-27T17:56:31.386Z#
exactly the wrong people, as far as I can tell
Ben Rosengart@fivetonsflax.myatproto.social·2026-09-27T23:13:00.499Z#
lol, yes, exactly
Andrew: weird and loud@ak0.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:47:38.021Z#
It feels sort of like how evangelical religions teach kids to go door to door, getting guaranteed rejections to make them view the in-group better.
Obviously these men are infinitely more culpable than any teen could be but it's still "teach ignorant person a lie as truth to lock them in" imo.
Mind Frighten 🎃@porgus.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:24:56.285Z#
in the context of silicon valley guys who attend glorified sexual assault parties, "what to do if a girl calls you a creep" is probably just "challenge her to a 1v1 in the Rape Arena"
Onno@tinkerspider.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:45:18.359Z#
Yeah - prob with a certain class of men is that when they get shipped off to therapy or a workshop, they'll find ways to weaponize what they learn there, instead of using it to fix themselves
Ultraviolet Catastrophe@southernviolet.northsky.social·2026-09-27T19:50:56.009Z#
This 100% happens.
Don Incognito@shuadc.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:19:20.652Z#
The problem is that the workshops people do need to take in this case are not at something called slutcon; they are the ones that convince them that Woke Has Gone Too Far
“Oh this is unpleasant for you and suggests your behavior is creepy and you need to change it? Good, you’re listening”
Desert Kickboxer@desertkickboxer.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:42:19.778Z#
What do you do if you've been called a creep? Simply reshape from the ground up the entire landscape of intimate activity such that it only takes place in delimited settings where everybody has preregistered their consent to everything that could happen, possibly on the blockchain
Iykyk@lipstickscribbles.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:25:35.781Z#
Reroll your rizz?
Tho srsly, they need to go on art museum/nature/life trips. Then when they finally get how small and insignificant they are vs how big the world is, maybe they'll get it.
Ultraviolet Catastrophe@southernviolet.northsky.social·2026-09-27T19:52:03.489Z#
They should be dropped in the South Dakota Badlands.
Iykyk@lipstickscribbles.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:57:29.179Z#
During winter.
Lois Weiner@drloisweiner.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:32:29.608Z#
Maybe. Tho the workshop may have good intentions, the idea is flawed, as is clear from research on educating teachers for cultural diversity. A far more powerful experience is for these guys, who don't understand how/why they are oppressors, to work with women who are equals, and learn from them.
CurvilinearCube@curvilinearcube.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:44:27.205Z#
Of course they aren't rationalists will litteraly try to logically flow chart rape in such a way that the only way anyone could prevent it is by being willing to upon the implication of sexual harassment bite the throat out of their attacker or they basically deserve whatever happens to them.
Denise Ruttan@teawhilewriting.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:29:32.713Z#
Every time I see what tech bros are up to I think maybe y'all deserve your male loneliness epidemic...
Jarno Niemelä@jarnon.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:11:51.625Z#
And it’s sickening how they twist words and concepts. Their actions have nothing to do with either rationalism or altruism.
It’s also sickening how just about everything with any kind of power tends to devolve into a sex cult. Humanity is deeply broken.
In These Shoes?@intheseshoes.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:18:39.691Z#
So You’ve Been Called a Creep.
Maybe don’t be a creep.
Wraithe@wraithe.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:19:01.619Z#
👆
Ham Roids@anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social·2026-09-27T22:17:56.047Z#
These men are probably, in fact, the ones who would or DID get told what to do after being a creep and threw a fit about women being too sensitive instead of taking any of that feedback seriously.
🎃 Camp Chrystal Lauke Manson 阿劉@chrislaumanson.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:40:11.460Z#
Oh shit, *THIS* is where the "So you've been called a creep" workshop comes from?????
Jennie Kermode@jenniekermode.bsky.social·2026-09-27T16:57:55.925Z#
That idea that kissing is right out but massage is okay is a big red flag for me. I've encountered that massage culture in science fiction spaces (there is a distinct overlap) and it is often intensely creepy and a prelude to groping, plus there's hostility towards those who reject it.
Eustaciavye77@eustaciavye77.bsky.social·2026-09-27T20:56:31.500Z#
Oh yeah I've seen that in sci-fi spaces and these are the same dudes. They looooove "casual nudity" too.
CarpeNoctem1200@carpenoctem1200.bsky.social·2026-09-27T17:51:11.209Z#
"you have been called a creep? You deserve better - we will teach you to become a Master-Creep!"