Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真): "tbqh I'm amazed no one has attempted civil RICO and sex trafficking suit against lightcone/lighthaven/miri" / Blueviewer

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T18:02:04.728Z

tbqh I'm amazed no one has attempted civil RICO and sex trafficking suit against lightcone/lighthaven/miri

Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T18:05:04.437Z #

me too

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T18:05:47.890Z #

the actual reason is no one has the money or the wherewithal to take them on and burn all their bridges

Melanie@passifloraresearch.com·2026-09-27T19:45:49.451Z #

It’s also hard to find private attorneys willing to go up against the firms they hire. That’s one reason why those firms didn’t want an effective state civil rights agency that would do the work.

Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:50:15.022Z #

That’s hard for me to understand. I like fighting with big firm lawyers.

Melanie@passifloraresearch.com·2026-09-27T20:31:57.131Z #

I haven't litigated in your area of law, but sexual harassment cases are particularly nasty (esp. in California?). Not just for the survivors, but the defense attorneys do a lot of underhanded maneuvers to make life difficult for an ethical plaintiff attorney.

Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T20:38:31.149Z #

I’ve done some sexual harassment cases. And some employment work (though not with the kind of frequency as to make me comfortable calling myself an employment lawyer). I’ve watched defense lawyers employ more and more vile tactics over the years. While courts fail to intervene. I still enjoy it.

Videogamep@videogamep.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:24:58.457Z #

Being from a big firm also doesn't necessarily mean they're good. I've dealt with plenty of big law types who were mediocre on their best days.

Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T21:27:23.177Z #

That’s even more fun…

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T19:47:40.071Z #

I tagged KUSK because they know civil RICO very well and also are unfraid to go after abusers, and know the sex trafficking laws well, see pavlovich v gaiman

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T19:48:00.872Z #

also because they're my lawyers in a case that thankfully has nothing to do with most of these things

Faine Greenwood@faineg.com·2026-09-27T18:08:41.398Z #

And this situation will only become even worse once they IPO

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T18:09:29.945Z #

I just am so sad for all of the normie friends I have at A\ who want nothing to do with this

Connor @merchantofvice.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:57:11.120Z #

We need a vengeful khan to take over in 2 years. Maybe Lina gets some horses and light Calvary this time

Kathryn Tewson@kathryntewson.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:27:54.690Z #

Personal injury damages don't count for RICO

Dillon "Back to making games again"@6sidedgames.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:29:08.073Z #

That's a hell of a sentence.

Kathryn Tewson@kathryntewson.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:31:40.972Z #

Suuuuure is

Coba Weel 🏳️‍⚧️@weel.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:46:55.947Z #

Relatedly, the clauses in employment exit agreements that ban you from disclosing the contents of employment exit agreements should be illegal. I refuse to sign anyway but some of the stuff I’ve seen is pretty egregious.

president, Spreadsheet Persons Local 153@werrrp.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:57:21.238Z #

California courts have come through for us in this general domain before, let's see them do it again

Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:01:24.908Z #

Fingers crossed. But it’s always better to be the second person across those bridges.

Coba Weel 🏳️‍⚧️@weel.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:03:47.865Z #

California actually has a functional legislature, just saying.

Thomas Neville@goobermunch.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:06:38.952Z #

How confident are you in its ability to resist lobbying from the entire tech industry? I’m not a Californian, so I don’t have a sense for that.

president, Spreadsheet Persons Local 153@werrrp.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:11:35.180Z #

there would be a full court press, no doubt, but many legislators still owe their jobs to an electorate that feels less and less aligned with tech execs every day

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T19:04:02.255Z #

shame about the Governor

Mel Buer@melbuer.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:04:58.160Z #

Was just about to say…lmao

Coba Weel 🏳️‍⚧️@weel.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:03:00.957Z #

I think legislation would be easier than relying on a sacrificial guinea pig defendant though?

Dillon "Back to making games again"@6sidedgames.bsky.social·2026-09-27T18:30:28.894Z #

I'll quote the now-gone popehat. It's never RICO. I'm sure the actual lawyers or adjacent peeps can explain why, but IANAL, so I can't do it.

Madame Hardy@madamehardy.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:26:34.718Z #

What? What happened to Popehat?

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T19:27:28.301Z #

banned

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T19:27:42.859Z #

reinstated after the suspension but he resolved to not come back

Madame Hardy@madamehardy.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:28:08.710Z #

Oh, dammit. I can see why.

Carol@pinkgodzilla2.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:28:38.742Z #

He’s on Threads.

Julia Is Waving, Not Drowning@booktweeting.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:28:48.438Z #

he angryposted something that the shitty mods chose to interpret as a threat of bodily harm, which it was not

Nire Bryce@nirebryce.breadthcharge.net·2026-09-27T18:42:03.213Z #

wonder how their taxes look

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T18:42:44.645Z #

fun facts, well, SE Gyges's post is down, but it makes accusations of personal enrichment and money laundering

Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)@lizthegrey.com·2026-09-27T18:43:03.090Z #

but a lot of the money for this flows through various 501(c)3s including Lightcone and MIRI

Nire Bryce@nirebryce.breadthcharge.net·2026-09-27T18:44:00.120Z #

yep

Some Random Susan@anysusan.bsky.social·2026-09-27T19:29:56.241Z #

and some of which host camps for minors…